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The Secret Space Program – Breakaway Civilization – Secret Aerospace Mega-Projects


President Truman created the National Security Counsel, CIA, DOD and MJ-12 and the Secret Space Program was born

President Truman on September 24, 1947 established MJ-12, an ultra top secret Research and Development, Intelligence Operation, called the “Committee”. President_Eisenhower_and_John_Foster_Dulles_in_1956

President Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 to reorganize the military and create the National Security Counsel (NSC) and the CIA and the Amendment of 1949 created the Department of Defense.

In 1954, President Eisenhower signed the Secret Executive Order, “Order Number 54-12” which set up the “Committee” inside the NSC.

The NSC called this group the “54-12” committee which gave President Eisenhower responsibility of approving all “Black” covert projects.

The original members of MJ-12 were:

  1. Secretary James Forrestal who died under questionable circumstance and replaced by General Walter B. Smith
  2. Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter
  3. General Nathan P. Twining
  4. General Hoyt S. Vandenburg
  5. General Robert M. Montaque
  6. Dr. Vanevar Bush
  7. Dr. Detlev Bronk
  8. Dr. Jerome Hunsaker
  9. Dr. Donald Menzel
  10. Dr. Lloyd V. Berkner
  11. Mr. Sidney W. Souers
  12. Mr. Gordon Gray

This committee has undergone several changes over the years, and since then, has been called the “Special Committee”; the “303 Committee” and currently the “40 Committee”.

It is described as the “Directorate” of the NSC.

The “40 Committee” (PI-40) has access to advanced technology and teams to cover-up, “the cover-ups”. 

Jason Society

Henry Kissinger Speaking to SenatePresident Eisenhower commissioned a secret society known as the Jason Society (or Jason Scholars) made up of thirty two (32) of the most prominent men in the U.S.A. They are designated by the code J-1, J-2, J-3, etc. all the way through the members of the Jason Society.

The top twelve (12) members of the Jason Society were designated the MJ-12.

Eisenhower lost control while MJ-12 has total control of everything with a license to kill whom ever they want.

The director of Central Intelligence was appointed J-1 and is the Director of the MJ-12 group.  Past top leaders were:

  1. Director of Central Intelligence, Allen Welsh Dulles
  2. Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, President of the Trilateral Commission from 1973 until 1976
  3. Dr. Henry Kissinger, leader of the scientific effort, to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and deceptions and find the truth of the Alien question

In the past, this committee was headed by Dr. Henry Kissenger (Code name: “The Overseer”).

MAJI = Majority Agency for Joint Intelligence

All information, disinformation, and intelligence is gathered and evaluated by this Agency.

This agency is responsible for all disinformation and operates in conjunction with the CIA, NSA, DIA, and The Office of Naval Intelligence.

This is a very powerful organization and all Alien projects are under its control.

MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12.

MAJIC

MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all Alien connected material, projects, and information.

MAJIC = means MAJI controlled, (MAJI plus Controlled = MAJIC).projectblue

Contingency Plans:

PLAN A

CONTAIN OR DELAY RELEASE OF INFORMATION – CODE: MAJIC/STR/M 03CCPN24

  1. Disinformation called “MAJESTIC TWELVE” was used to confuse anyone getting to close to the truth. It was selected because the similarity of spelling and the similarity to MJ-12.
  2. It was designed to confuse memory and to result in a fruitless search for material which did not exist (i.e. William Moore’s Documents?)

PLAN B

SHOULD THE INFORMATION BECOME PUBLIC OR SHOULD THE ALIENS TAKE OVER

  1. This plan called for a public announcement that a terrorist group had entered the United States with an Atomic weapon.
  2. It would be announced that the terrorists planned to detonate the weapon in a major city.
  3. Martial Law would be declared and all persons with implants would be activated by the Aliens.
  4. MAJIC would place certain people into concentration camps. National media would be controlled. Anyone attempting to resist would be arrested or killed.

REFERENCES:

Read Truman’s letter authorizing creation of Majestic 12

Read Col Steve Wilson 1997 Revelations

Read Richard Dolan, UFO’s and the National Security State: Chronology of a Cover-up 1941-1973 (Hampton Roads, 2002) 1-3. (refer to video below)

Dr Barry Taff who consulted for government, business, and law enforcement, including the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), National Security Agency (NSA), Defense Language Institute (DLI), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the FBI, Interpol, LAPD, California Highway Patrol, Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department, and the Westminster Police Department.


The Hidden Hand Alien Contact and the Government Cover up

This trailer describes The Hidden Hand by James Carman – a controversial EBE Award winning documentary that explores the possibility of an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.
The film takes a keen look at a range of topics like alien abduction, human/alien hybridization, the military’’s reverse-engineering of alien technology and the government cover-up of anything related to extraterrestrials.
Is preoccupation with the extraterrestrial a form of cultural madness or is something really going on?
How would E.T. contact change the religious and political institutions of our society? The shadowy world of UFOs is suddenly brought to light.

Ben Rich – “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber”

Ben Rich, the “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber” and former head of Skunk Works (Lockheed’s secret research and development entity), provided credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft.

He gave a presentation to a group of engineers from the UCLA Alumni association on March 23, 1993.

When he revealed last slide, a black disk headed for space, Ben stated, “We now have the technology to take ET home”.

During the Q&A, he told the engineers that it was now possible to travel to the stars.  Months later he died of cancer – in January 1995. [May 2010 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal]


Published on May, 2015

Richard Dolan: The Secret Space Program and Breakaway Civilization 

“The Secret Space Program: In this lecture Richard Dolan argues that the UFO phenomenon is infinitely more complex than many have previously suggested, and that human and non-human groups are behind what we call UFOs.
Within the human, classified part, breakthroughs have leap-frogged over each other to produce a society with substantially more advanced scientific, technological, and cosmological ideas — a society that can accurately be called a “breakaway civilization.”
This covert civilization has continued to interact with our own “official” society, but at the same time appears to have interactions or encounters with one or more of the non-human groups that are here on Planet Earth. The result is a clandestine cold war, very possibly with multiple human and non-human factions.”

Richard Dolan: UFO Encounters with the World Militaries: Implications

The UFO is the hidden factor in modern history – watch

The Destruction of our political liberties as a result of the UFO cover-up

Over the years, there have been many confirmed military encounters with UFOs, many of which are truly incredible and at times disturbing. These encounters involve much more than the U.S. military, but also the militaries of Canada, the U.K. all the European nations, Russia, China, Australia, Middle Eastern nations, African nations — indeed, everywhere.

Not only that, but reliable reports by military and government sources go back well before the Second World War.

Richard Dolan will discuss some of the most extraordinary encounters we know of, and share his ideas regarding the phenomenon itself.

He will then examine the energy and technology implications, the probable political forces that are blocking changes to our energy paradigm, and ways of moving forward.

Richard has analyzed the destruction of our political liberties as a result of the UFO cover-up, the possible nature of the non-humans themselves, what their presence means for our civilization, why he believes the cover-up will end within our lifetime, and what is likely to happen after that.

Richard Dolan is among the world’s leading researchers and historians of the UFO subject. He is the author of two volumes of history, UFOs and the National Security State volumes one and two, as well as an analysis of the future, A.D. After Disclosure: When the Government Finally Reveals the Truth About Alien Contact. He is a regular guest on Coast-to-Coast AM radio, has also appeared on many television specials for The History Channel, SyFy, BBC, and elsewhere. Since 2012, Richard has hosted “The Richard Dolan Show,” airing on KGRA Radio every Saturday evening, from 8-11 pm EST. In his books, articles, and many interviews – http://www.richarddolanpress.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/richard.dola…


Again Washington Post Debunks UFOs – Richard Dolan Speaks Out

Like clockwork, a recent Washington Post article debunked UFOs and implied that “belief in UFOs is suggestive of a psychological problem”.

According to Richard Dolan this is a “failure of true investigation”, stating:

[UFOs are]…something that the publication has never, ever bothered to do the slightest bit of real investigation about.  There are many topics on which such mainstream, plugged-in, national security/corporate publications like the Post fail to deliver the goods. But the UFO topic is a bell-weather. While this discrepancy exists, while the Post wastes everyone’s time with infantile explanations, it destroys its credibility among serious individuals who know better.

Dolan says that anyone can easily find on the Web declassified documents that:

…show a long history of concern by senior U.S. officials about airspace violations by [UFOs]…Never mind the fact that a few senior officials have indeed gone on the record to discuss this reality. Never mind the fact that any researcher who has looked into this long enough finds even more senior officials who are willing to talk, but only off the record. They know full well this is a matter of national security and concern.

Thank you Richard Dolan for your courage and scholarly work.


Joseph Farrell: Bullion, Brains, Bonds: Financial, Historical, and Cultural Analysis of the Breakaway Civilization and its Analytical and Policy-Formation Culture

Published on Mar 9, 2015 – Joseph Farrell at the Secret Space Program Conference 2014 San Mateohttps://www.facebook.com/secretspacep…

President Truman decided after the war to create, with Nazi loot, a vast system of hidden finance put directly in hands of international banks and controlled by American intelligence community.
Truman instituted of a long-term ‘Mega-Manhattan’ Project to investigate and emulate the technological performance of some UFOs.

This required the establishment of an immense, and entirely hidden, system of finance, which was laid in the years immediately following World War Two, and was based in large part on the utilization of Axis funds, talent, and technology.

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and “strange stuff”. He is an author of a number of books on alternative history, history, historical revisionism, archaeology, and science/physics. http://www.gizadeathstar.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/jpfarrell3


Joseph Farrell: UFOs, the Tower of Babel Moment, and Space Collateralization and Commercialization: An Analysis of Worst Case Scenario Policy Formation of the Breakaway Civilization

Published on Mar 9, 2015 –  – Joseph P Farrell at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo (presentation 2)

Farrell talks about ‘Tower of Babel Moment’ = Plasma – Thermonuclear reaction. Classified higher than the hydrogen bomb.   Nazi Bell. ROTATION!

Public Science and Hidden Science

Farrell continues:

Hidden Physics = Kardashev System – 3 Types of Civilization based on energy (39:00 mark)

Planet, Star, Galaxy energy required.

UFO’S show an inordinate interest in our nuclear capabilities because Nuclear Weapons are a gateway to these higher civilization’s abilities.

The perception on the part of the national security apparatus that some UFO activity was hostile, and concerned with nuclear and thermonuclear weapons, plus the secret collateralization of space resources in the hidden system of finance, may have led to the perception that humanity was once again a ‘Tower of Babel Moment’ of history.

HAARP = A calculated responses to the UFOs – a kind of ‘gunboat diplomacy’.   Sun – Moon – Earth = “portal”

Finance – engineered leveraged systems – ionospheric heaters, HAARP

What’s going to lead to WARP drive within next 100 years?

3 D printing is being pushed now for a reason.

Thought control and monitor – Data Mining – to see what people are talking about.

Monitor all things related to UFOs – groups, religious thought, what people imagine to do, phenomenon, the weird

Collateralize space to entice banks to risk in their program.


Joseph P. Farrell – Visitors From Another World

January 28, 2014 – guest Joseph P. Farrell on the Jeff Rense Program.

3 groups of UFOs = Nazis, other Human Secret Space Program, and ETs that look like us, talk like us and are familiar.  90% is human.

What about Aliens and Humans who have no emotions/compassion and “play below the belt”?


Secret Space Program Conference 2015 Austin/Bastrop Texas

Round Table Discussion

Published on Nov 15, 2015
Panel sheds more light on the implications of the Secret Space Program: Dr Joseph P Farrell, Catherine Austin Fitts, Linda Moulton Howe and Olav Phillips.
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Concerns About AI and Monitoring Children for Life

They begin with Common Core. Catherine: Our children are in jeopardy, she “nails it”.

Linda Moulton Howe also “nails it” by asking, Is this a Universe that plays below the belt?

Fitts:  UFOs subvert our authority.  It not just “holograms”.  But who ever controls the “holograms” controls the universe!

Howe:  This is an open barter system and people are only a part of it.  There’s a break in the treaty.  Vested interest.  3 competing ET groups are fighting with each other and want to perpetuate the conflict. Decent intel and military people are angry with those (humans and aliens) who play below the belt.

Farrell:  I take the historical approach.   Mutually assured destruction (SDI) was about defending against ET. Phoenix lights were probably human.  This was a demonstration and then a counter demonstration comes back from ET!

Farrell says Corso’s book:  Points finger at ET and Nazis UFOs.  Ours SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative) was about stalemating ET – secret war.  Corso: The CIA is our enemy.

Fitts:  Drug trafficking (must make drugs illegal) and law enforcement used to take down country. Dan Russell’s book: Federal Reserve, IRS, narcotics are connected.  70’s Iran Contra – fraud goes off charts. Farrell: At the time, Voyager spots big space ship in Saturn’s rings and our guys go crazy.

Howe:  So many satellites going to Mars go black!  They are withholding images NASA’s Dawn spacecraft took on approach to Ceres (between Mars and Jupiter) on Feb. 4, 2015.

Fitts:  Shift the power equation from the lunatics to the adults.


Round Table: Henrik Palmgren, Joseph P Farrell, Mark McCandlish, Stephen Bassett Michael Schratt, and Robert Morningstar

Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo  Published on Mar 9, 2015https://www.facebook.com/secretspacep…

Sit back and enjoy a lively discussion about the presentations and some additional questions to shed more light on the implications of the Secret Space Program.


Michael Schratt: American aerospace industry

Watch The Man-made vs ET Issue – We now have the technology to take ET back home – Michael Schratt at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo

Michael will present evidence which supports the claim that elements of the military industrial complex (specifically the American aerospace industry) have designed, built and test flown saucer shaped aircraft which mimic the form, fit and function of extraterrestrial UFOs.

Michael talks about Aurora. Chevron and boomerang shaped aircraft – Phoenix Lights and Belguim triangle (1990), EM drive. The joint NATO program between Lockhead Skunkworks and UK, stealth technology, “runs very deep”.

Aurora


Michael Schratt

Michael Schratt is a private pilot/military aerospace historian and has lectured across the USA on the unique subject of “mystery aircraft,” and classified propulsion systems buried deep within the military industrial complex.

In this video from Red Ice, Michael talks about the evidence that supports the claim that elements within the military industrial complex (specifically the American aerospace industry) have designed, built and tested flown saucer shaped aircraft which mimic the form, fit and function of that as we perceive to be extraterrestrial UFOs.

The black budget, off black budget and special access programs that have laid the financial groundwork for those who have been developing secret aerospace mega-projects are discussed – along with the military contractors such as Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin & McDonnell Douglas and their endless funding for their projects.

Michael Schratt says more in the audio below.


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David Sereda, Linda Moulton Howe and Michael Schratt speak on the Secret Space Program.

This is very enlightening!

David Sereda, director of video From Here to Andromeda talks about Roswell and Lockheed Martin Senior Research Engineer – Boyd Bushman. And kids all over the country suddenly started building and flying small aluminum disks during the days prior to the Roswell crash, and these disks flew by a means that remains unknown to this day.  What do Governments know about UFOs? Why are the oil companies holding us hostage? Why hasn’t all of humanity awakened and taken measures to ensure our survival?

Linda Moulton Howe starts at 20:00 mark and asks, ‘Does NASA have a secret high tech space program we know nothing about?

Michael Schratt is a private pilot/military aerospace historian and has lectured across the USA on the unique subject of “mystery aircraft,” and classified propulsion systems buried deep within the military industrial complex.

Lots of great information.


Read the How Many Whistle Blowers Does it Take to Expose the Secret Space Program?

Black Budget and Lake Erie Mass UFO Sighting


In 1988, Mark McCandlish witnessed ARVs at Norton Air Force Base, per USAF.

Here is Contractor/Illustrator Mark McCandlish testimony from the Disclosure project about 3 reverse engineered ARVs (Alien Reproduction Vehicles) shown at a hanger in Norton Air Force Base on November 1988.

Mark McCandlish: The Feasibility of Interstellar Travel

Zero Point Energy: The power source behind the Secret Space Program and Trump Card of the Break-away Civilization

Published on Mar 9, 2015 – Mark McCandlish at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo  https://www.facebook.com/secretspacep…

Stealth

How the back-engineering of off-world technology created powerful leverage for corporations to take over control of world government, establish an internationally-manned, secret space program and break-away civilization.

Based on eye-witness accounts and insider information, Mr. McCandlish takes the audience through a series of revelations as to how remarkable breakthrough technology, may have been back-engineered from recovered or captured off-world vehicles, enabled aerospace and defense-related corporations to hijack control of governments world-wide, create a special access only, secret space program and develop a break-away civilization with its own goals and agenda.

Mark McCandlish is an internationally-recognized artist who has specialized in aviation and conceptual art within the defense and aerospace industries for the better part of the last thirty years, serving the needs of many of the top American corporations in this regard.

Mark’s father was a twenty-five year veteran of the United States Air Force and as a consequence, Mark has had a life-long love of aircraft and aviation history. His first UFO sighting occurred at Westover Air Force Base in the State of Massachusetts, in the Winter of 1966 and he observed the craft through an 80 power telescope for about ten minutes before it accelerated out of sight at an extreme velocity. He later discovered that this craft had been hovering above a flight of nuclear-armed Boeing B-52’s sitting on the Alert Ramp of the flight line on base.

Mr. McCandlish has spent most of his life trying to discover the science that would make such incredible performance possible, and he believes there is a plausible answer to interstellar flight without violating the currently-accepted laws of physics. Having had literally dozens of sightings since 1966, he feels certain that this carefully protected technology has been co-opted by an as-yet-unknown group, and the sequestration of this technology has provided that organization tremendous leverage in world politics, finance and international conflicts over the past five decades.

SR-71Blackbird

Aurora


Secret Aerospace Mega-Projects

Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing

Lockheed Hopeless Diamond Have Blue XST experimental stealth survivable testbed low observable DARPA

Lockheed Hopeless Diamond Have Blue XST experimental stealth survivable testbed low observable DARPA

Since the late 1980s, only three manned black projects (excluding the F-117A) have been unveiled – Lockheed Have Blue, Northrop Tacit Blue and Boeing Bird of Prey. Of these, only the latter two are publicly displayed, while the wrecks of both Have Blue airframes were buried within the Nellis Test Range following crashes that both pilots thankfully survived.

Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk

Lockheed officials reportedly searched unsuccessfully for the more intact of the Have Blue demonstrators, which is supposedly buried under what is now a taxiway to the south of the Groom Lake installation. Others, meanwhile, have speculated that the wreckage would be a good fit for Dyson’s Dock, though there is no solid evidence to suggest it’s in there.

Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber

Another highly successful project directly descended from Have Blue was the F-117 Nighthawk. Of these, only four YF-117 full scale development aircraft are on display, with the exception of a few pieces of wreckage in a Belgrade museum and a hybrid airframe outside the Lockheed Skunk Works plant in Palmdale.

The remainder of the retired fleet sits in secure storage at the shadowy Tonopah Test Range Airport near Groom, though a small number have been seen flying again over the Nellis Range.

Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that one of these could find its way into Dyson’s Dock?

“Aurora” aircraft which is rumored to be in flight testing from super-secret Air Force Bases.


Avro Aircraft

In 2012, Project 1794 from Canadian aerospace company Avro Aircraft 800px-Colour_avrocar_59Limited in Ontario, was revealed (photo right).  Two Avrocars were produced and tested in 1959.  Both failed.  “As testing continued it became clear that the problem was inherent to the design, and the engineers started referring to the effect as “hubcapping,” so-named as it appeared similar to a hubcap spun on the ground.”[wikipedia 29]

The Avro VZ-9 Avrocar was a “dead end” in VTOL design, according to Russell Lee, curator at the National Air and Space Museum, yet its technological innovations have intrigued other designers.

One of the design elements it embodied, the use of ducted fans led to other experimental programs. Dr. Paul Moller, a Canadian expatriate who had worked at Avro Canada as a young engineer, based an initial series of experimental VTOL vehicles on “saucer” technology utilizing the buried ducted fan à la-Avrocar.

The XM-2, the first of the series looked remarkably like a miniature flying saucer. After successful tether tests, the saucer designs also at one time publicized as “discojet” were abandoned and their latest project, the Moller Skycar, has a flying-car appearance.[36]

After termination of the project, one of the produced Avrocars reverted to the U.S. military because they had paid for the work. The Avrocar has been loaned to the National Museum of the United States Air Force in Dayton, Ohio, arriving in November, 2007. After a full restoration, which included fabrication of both missing plexiglass bubbles, it was put on display in June 2008 in the Museum’s Cold War Gallery. It has since been moved to the Presidential Aircraft Gallery.

The second example, S/N 59-4975, utilized for “flight” testing, returned to Canada briefly for display in Montreal at the Man and His World Exhibition (1968); after a lengthy period of outdoor display, it is now under restoration at the U.S. Army Transportation Museum in Fort Eustis, Virginia.[16] A full-scale replica of the Avrocar was prepared for the 2002 production, Avrocar: Saucer Secrets from the Past. It now resides as an exhibit at the Western Canada Aviation Museum, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

“It was another failure”.  REALLY!  

What else needs to be revealed?

US Air Force Flying Saucer?

Jan 24, 2012 Thirdphaseofmoon released photos of what appeared to be a US Air Force Flying Saucer! They have now obtained rights to release this video!

Is it fake?  What do you think?


Uploaded on Jun 22, 2011

Peter Levenda: The Secret Space Program 

The Secret Space Program Conference was held on the 3rd of April 2011 in Amsterdam. “From Peenemunde to Paperclip, from Nazis to NASA the Secret Space Program and the Cold War.”

Peter reveals Nazi space scientists, their UFO designs, Operation Paperclip, and the strange connections between the UFO phenomenon of 1947.

The Occult & JFK assassination

Particularly interesting is the Jim Garrison 1967 investigation into the JFK assassination.

Peter exposes some of the strangest aspects of the assassination and it’s relation to a shadowy — yet well-documented — group known as “The Nine” who were involved in a strange church – a church that really didn’t exist, except on paper.

And, this is the church: The American Orthodox Catholic Church. This name had kept coming up in the Warren Commission, but no one did any background checking on it…

The church of Set and the American Orthodox Catholic Church

The church is well-documented but it’s occulted – functioning in secret. On the board of directors of the American Orthodox Catholic Church was J Edgar Hoover, the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  Jack Parsons who founded JPL – Jet Propulsion Labaratory was a friend of L Ron Hubbard and followed Aleister Crowley.  They were all members of the same cult that summons demons, worships the sunset and functions in the dark.  Do they worship/invoke AI?  What do you think? 


Ascension Timeline and the Magnificent Universal Human Family and New Worlds Universal Federation.

We all asked to come to Earth during these amazing times.  And it has been an honor to be here, clearing old stuff, becoming responsible and preparing for a new, self-determined, life enhancing and fulfilling human experience ahead. The SOUL AWAKENING that is occurring on the planet surpasses anything imaginable.

In accordance with the Universal Principles and for the highest good of All and as the “I AM presence”, many of Earth’s humans have chosen the divinely guided Ascension process and will successfully enter the Universal Human Family and New Worlds Universal Federation. Reveal, reveal, reveal. Watch and feel the vibrational SHIFT, SHIFT, SHIFT to the higher frequencies of awareness, love and light. Experience, Experience, Experience, the higher frequencies of awareness, love and light and galactic highways opening up to help Earth’s humans in their Ascension process and humanity is at a crossroads as described in the  Magnificent Universal Human Consciousness.

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Sending Healing, Wisdom, and Understanding

Cariel


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